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		<title>By: William Burke</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>William Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: William Burke</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>William Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another worthy mention is the late Mr. Roddenberry and, all the people around him who still belive in a future that could work for everyone. 

Quite a concept in 1968 and, still is...</description>
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<p>Quite a concept in 1968 and, still is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: steve davidson</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>steve davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming a little late to the party but:

I think you are actually addressing two core issues here: 1. SF works themselves. 2. the cultural/personal biases/reflections of the world as authors currently see it.

Of course all literature reflects its times and it is very difficult for authors to divorce themselves from them when writing. Perhaps even more difficult is selling a work that is out of step with the cultural zeitgeist.  No one can stomach pollyanna when things really are in the crapper.

The key for addressing both lies in presentation. The vast majority of work produced during the &#039;cold war era&#039; (when things really were in the crapper and the whole shebang could go blooey - and almost did) was POSITIVE SF, despite the background it was drawn from.  &quot;When all you have is lemons, make lemonade&quot; is the expression that comes to mind.

Take Heinlein&#039;s Farnham&#039;s Freehold as an example:  Things really did go blooey for all of the characters.  RAH even went so far as to make a plot point out negativity - Farnham was told that his obsession with how bad things were (during the opening) was sick and negatively affecting everyone around him.

But by the end of the story, things had turned out pretty well: just about everyone &#039;got what they deserved&#039; and Farnham, who was never truly &#039;negative&#039;, just practical and willing to face the world with eyes wide open, ended up having his cake and eating it too.

Dealing with the negative in a story is fine - conflict has got to come from somewhere - but failing to include the &#039;path to the light&#039; is, as you&#039;ve pointed out, taking us in a direction that leads nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming a little late to the party but:</p>
<p>I think you are actually addressing two core issues here: 1. SF works themselves. 2. the cultural/personal biases/reflections of the world as authors currently see it.</p>
<p>Of course all literature reflects its times and it is very difficult for authors to divorce themselves from them when writing. Perhaps even more difficult is selling a work that is out of step with the cultural zeitgeist.  No one can stomach pollyanna when things really are in the crapper.</p>
<p>The key for addressing both lies in presentation. The vast majority of work produced during the &#8216;cold war era&#8217; (when things really were in the crapper and the whole shebang could go blooey &#8211; and almost did) was POSITIVE SF, despite the background it was drawn from.  &#8220;When all you have is lemons, make lemonade&#8221; is the expression that comes to mind.</p>
<p>Take Heinlein&#8217;s Farnham&#8217;s Freehold as an example:  Things really did go blooey for all of the characters.  RAH even went so far as to make a plot point out negativity &#8211; Farnham was told that his obsession with how bad things were (during the opening) was sick and negatively affecting everyone around him.</p>
<p>But by the end of the story, things had turned out pretty well: just about everyone &#8216;got what they deserved&#8217; and Farnham, who was never truly &#8216;negative&#8217;, just practical and willing to face the world with eyes wide open, ended up having his cake and eating it too.</p>
<p>Dealing with the negative in a story is fine &#8211; conflict has got to come from somewhere &#8211; but failing to include the &#8216;path to the light&#8217; is, as you&#8217;ve pointed out, taking us in a direction that leads nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: P:SI #250 &#8220;Barrowman, Bending and a City of Thieves&#8221; &#124; Project: Shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>P:SI #250 &#8220;Barrowman, Bending and a City of Thieves&#8221; &#124; Project: Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stranger and Happier: A Positive Science Fiction Platform (via Jason Stoddard) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A rare moment of concision &#171; Torque Control</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>A rare moment of concision &#171; Torque Control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2008 &#8212; Niall   If &#8220;1337 in 2012&#8221; is an example of the type of story the optimists want, then they&#8217;re taking the idea of sf stories as &#8220;fantasies of political agency&#8221; a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jetse: Great points. My use of the word &quot;manifesto&quot; was too charged. This is now a &quot;platform,&quot; and it is free for all to remix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jetse: Great points. My use of the word &#8220;manifesto&#8221; was too charged. This is now a &#8220;platform,&#8221; and it is free for all to remix.</p>
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		<title>By: Jetse</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jetse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see this &#039;manifesto&#039; (hate the word, BTW: why not make it a platform. Even better: an open source &#039;optimism in SF&#039; platform where everybody can chime in) as a starting point, not a thing written in stone (you noted already in the beginning of your post that it&#039;s &#039;a shot at a definition&#039;).

Optimistic SF is like the future: a work in progress.

Our hope is that we can make it better.

Or, to put it somewhat in context: basically, I would like to see *more* convincingly optimistic SF stories. There are way too few of them, right now. That doesn&#039;t mean that *all* SF should be like that, or that *all pessimistic SF* is without merit, but just that IMHO we need more of ingredient &quot;O&quot; in the greater written SF mix. Especially if we intend to interest a younger audience in it (and make it relevant, and not just to that audience).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see this &#8216;manifesto&#8217; (hate the word, BTW: why not make it a platform. Even better: an open source &#8216;optimism in SF&#8217; platform where everybody can chime in) as a starting point, not a thing written in stone (you noted already in the beginning of your post that it&#8217;s &#8216;a shot at a definition&#8217;).</p>
<p>Optimistic SF is like the future: a work in progress.</p>
<p>Our hope is that we can make it better.</p>
<p>Or, to put it somewhat in context: basically, I would like to see *more* convincingly optimistic SF stories. There are way too few of them, right now. That doesn&#8217;t mean that *all* SF should be like that, or that *all pessimistic SF* is without merit, but just that IMHO we need more of ingredient &#8220;O&#8221; in the greater written SF mix. Especially if we intend to interest a younger audience in it (and make it relevant, and not just to that audience).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A clarification: I am not promoting the takeover of the world by benevolent scientists and cuddly captains of industry—I would simply like to see a broader palette of characters, with more realistic personality traits. Not all businesspeople are bent on raping the planet; not every chill-dude-next-door is altruistic and perfect. Sometimes great things come from evil characters; sometimes terrible things happen from the best intentions.Let&#039;s create all sorts of characters--but let&#039;s put them in a position to act, and let&#039;s make sure they *act.*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A clarification: I am not promoting the takeover of the world by benevolent scientists and cuddly captains of industry—I would simply like to see a broader palette of characters, with more realistic personality traits. Not all businesspeople are bent on raping the planet; not every chill-dude-next-door is altruistic and perfect. Sometimes great things come from evil characters; sometimes terrible things happen from the best intentions.Let&#8217;s create all sorts of characters&#8211;but let&#8217;s put them in a position to act, and let&#8217;s make sure they *act.*</p>
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		<title>By: » Blog Archive &#187; Manifesto of Positive Science Fiction</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>» Blog Archive &#187; Manifesto of Positive Science Fiction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Science Fiction started back in February that got kicked off by Jason Stoddard, he has written up a Manifesto of Positive Science fiction.  He writes on many points, but I would like specifically to address [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Politics of Gloom &#171; . . . Damien G. Walter . . .</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>The Politics of Gloom &#171; . . . Damien G. Walter . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are already sharpening their pencils as they consider ideas for stories that meet Jason Stoddards positivist manifesto, and certainly there wil be an enterprising editor on hand to anthologise them. I look forward to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Show Your Work &#8212; Positive science fiction</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Show Your Work &#8212; Positive science fiction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shorter Jason Stoddard: The problem with contemporary SF is that it doesn&#8217;t love capitalism enough. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Quiet Links &#171; Torque Control</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>The Quiet Links &#171; Torque Control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This week&#8217;s debate: should sf be more optimistic? Kathryn Cramer has the right of it, I think, but there are robust responses from Lou Anders, Jetse de Vries, and Jason Stoddard. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Planet-x.com.au &#187; Stranger and Happier: A Positive Science Fiction Manifesto</title>
		<link>http://strangeandhappy.com/2008/09/27/stranger-and-happier-a-positive-science-fiction-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Planet-x.com.au &#187; Stranger and Happier: A Positive Science Fiction Manifesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And, despite lots of words about how positive science fiction can still be gritty, realistic, and encompass lots and lots of scary crap, people still don’t know what positive science fiction is. So, here’sa shot at a definition: &#8230;  More here: Stranger and Happier: A Positive Science Fiction Manifesto [...]</description>
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